Night heats (and other hormonal symptoms) dont help trying to sleep

If i do get to sleep, the first time i wake, i feel my body heat up all through, especially in my back or front whatever is bed-side down, so i am constantly moving about. Goodness knows how hubby sleeps with my fidgeting…I sleep best when he holds me – i think my body instantly accepts the safety & comfort of it, but when i wake we are apart. So i do get a little sleep if we start like spoons.. but these ruddy night sweats do my head in….

If i get 4 solid hours of sleep i am amazed its normally broken sleep 1st wake around 2ish, then drifting in and out, waking around 4ish & then 5ish as hubby alarm at 5.30 then drift again till i get up around 7.15. That's when i want TO ACTUALLY SLEEP...& can't!

Posted 17 Nov 2011 at 8:28 PM
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  • Sleepio Member

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    Sometimes I'm so excited about things, life in general, that sort of stuff that I'm so full of adrenaline I just can't wind down. I know my hormones are all over the place, it's like being a teenager again but this time with a mortgage. The flip side is not so pretty. Trying to concentrate on the relaxation downloads is really difficult. The ups are really useful as I get my housework done but that nights sleep goes down the pan. I'm not mad, just menopausal. Any tips for calming down?

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    Are your sleep problems connected to your cycle?

    I have never suffered from PMS before I had a child last year.
    Since my period is back I experience mood swings and insomnia for up to a week leading to day 1. Sometimes it lasts for a few days after my period starts as well. I have problem falling asleep, staying awake till 2, 3 or even 5 am.

    I did little research and it seems to be a quite common PMS symptom linked to hormonal drop.

    I am going to talk to endocrinologist and see if my hormones are out of balance, but wanted to hear if others notice this connection. How do you cope with it?

  • Sleepio Member

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    Hi, I seem to have the same problem as you. At times I feel full of adrenaline too. If I am having a nice time say dancing and things like that, I find it very difficult to calm down, I get extremely excited! It’s great at the time but like you say when it comes to sleep it is very difficult. Some nights I don’t sleep at all and once went four days consecutively without a wink. No tips for calming down unfortunately

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    Keep trying the sleepio progressive relaxation download I've kept using it and nine times out of ten, I'm out like a light. Hormones are the key to it all but managing them takes effort it worth it. Hope you calm down soon!

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    I highly recommend a supplement called Estrovera —NOT Estroven, the stuff you get at CVS or Walgreens. Estrovera has special distributors. It’s worked a charm for me! I went off of it recently only because I thought I wanted to try some Chinese herbs, but that was nuts. Estrovera is great. It’s rhubarb root. It was recommended by my gyno.

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    Hi everyone,

    I happened to start Week #3 on this last Thursday, at the same time I saw a hormone specialist for my perimenopause. I had been taking some estrogen per my normal gyno, but not nearly enough. In fact, she'd recently cut way back on my estrogen, which was just a month before my sleeping problems started. But I managed to get more hormone tablets recently. After two weeks here on Sleepio and taking Temazepam per my sleep doctor (I have a test scheduled end of December) with the bit of estrogen I'd managed to get ahold of, I'd achieved both 93% efficiency and over 7 hours of solid sleep three nights in a row. I was incredibly happy. I figured that when I saw the specialist he'd figure out the right combo of hormones, and I'd be on my way. Right?

    Not so much. The specialist took me off ALL hormones and said I needed to be free of them for 10 days so that we could then do a blood test to get a baseline. Even then, the lab will take several days to process the results. Also, I just started my period yesterday. My sleep Thursday night wasn't terrible -- still 93% efficiency and 6.5 hours. But last night was awful. I couldn't even fall asleep, which normally isn't the problem! And three of my doctors now agree that perimenopause is at the root of my insomnia.

    The specialist said I could take herbal supplements, but those take weeks to kick in. I wish I'd never stopped the Estrovera by Metagenics. That would be saving my life right now. I could go back but it takes a couple of days to order and weeks to kick in. I'm exercising a lot more and doing everything else my doctor (and Sleepio) recommends. Is there anything else I can do?

    Thanks bunches!

    LM

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    Hi everyone!

    Sorry for the long post, but is anyone's sleep here (i.e. women) benefiting from HRT? Here's what's happening for me.

    When I first saw the sleep doctor on 11/22/17, she gave me a course of action: 1) schedule a sleep test, 2) treat my depression, 3) do a CBT-i course (Sleepio.com was an option), and 4) fill out the paper sleep diary (which I've since replaced with Sleepio, along with a list of sleep rules that she gave me). This was to treat my inability to stay asleep and get back to sleep when I woke up after having relied on Benadryl every night for a few years to treat post-nasal drip. I'd stopped cold turkey the first week of October. Man did I have sleep problems, and not just because of the post-nasal drip! I started Sleepio less than a week after seeing my doctor. I'm on Week 5.

    The other doctors I saw to treat my depression -- psychiatrist and therapist -- both said point blank, “This is classic perimenopause.” Sleep problems, depression, the works. So, I finally got in to see a hormone specialist on December 14. He agreed, based on my self report, that my sleep problems and depression were very likely related to perimenopause. He took me off of the odd assortment of hormones my prior gyno had me taking. (Several other doctors, including my GP and internist, had echoed concerns about my gyno's unorthodox approach to HRT.) He then said I had to wait 10 days and then get several blood tests -- hormones, thyroid, Vitamin D -- so that we could get a baseline.

    I was terrified of going 10 days without anything except the temazepam. I did have some cranky, uncomfortable days. But with the help of Sleepio and increased exercise, I actually had some good sleep during that period. In fact, the temazepam works MUCH faster now. I'm usually sleepy within 20 minutes instead of 1.5 hours.

    My blood tests were taken 12/23. I'm waiting for results. I probably won't get to see the hormone specialist and start a plan of action until some time after the first of the year, which is a drag. I'm still seeing the therapist. The psychiatrist has agreed to cease antidepressant treatments until we get the hormone problem straightened out. (None have succeeded, anyway. I have pretty severe serotonin syndrome.)

    Ladies, have you been down this road? If so, what happened?

    Thanks in advance!

    LM

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    I had to stop HRT abruptly for health reasons and I am finding it extremely difficult. My sleep has deteriorated to unprecedented depths and I cannot see the end of the tunnel…will it ever get better?

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    I wake up around 4am every night to go to the bathroom. I am so hot that I turn up the air and put the living room ceiling fan on high to help cool me down. Some nights it takes hours to cool down and get back in bed. Some nights I cool off in less than an hour and can lay back down.

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    Good morning ladies,

    I have hot flashes during the day and night sweats during the night. I have been using Black Cohosh – from Puritan Pride I order it on-line 540 mg. it does help some. I also fan myself with my night gown or the sheet at night. Sometimes if it's real bad I get up to get some cool water and stand near the more powerful fan in our kitchen.

    Hugs, Stacey

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    Teresi,

    I have never done any HRT only herbs. I use Black Cohosh. Please read my post above. I will try to help you through this emotionally. Have you tried herbs?

    Hugs, Stacey

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    Hi, is anyone else here having problems with sleep with menopause or perimenopause? I am 18 months into menopause and wake up to 15 times a night with hot flushes and having to kick off my quilt- then waking with chills a few minutes later and having to pull the quilt back on again. I rarely have hot flushes during the day. I'm awake about an hour and a half in total each night with all the hot and cold stuff, I don't stress about it and go back to sleep quickly. I'm up to the sleep restriction part of the course and I'm reluctant to do it- because I don't know if sleep restriction will help with my hot flush related waking. I have a stressful job and can't afford to be getting less sleep than I already am. I can't find any information on sleepio about sleep restriction and hot flush related waking. Is there anybody here who has used sleep restriction for this type of waking? Would love to chat with anyone else dealing with these issues.

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    My nights are much the same as yours. I am trying Sleepio in hopes to stop taking sleeping pills as I worry about the long term effects. Sleep restriction does not sound very inviting to me either since I get so little because of night sweats, my husband snoring and bumping my dog and son's cat. My son comes in from work at 1:30 am as quit as possible.

  • Sleepio Member

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    I joined sleepio after many decades of insomnia and at least 10 years of using sleeping pills. With the help of my doctor, I was able to completely eliminate the pills over the course of many months. I cut the pills in quarters, and took 1/4 less each night for a period of time. My sleep was disrupted for several nights after each reduction, but once it settle down, I worked up the courage to make the next reduction. Please work with your doctor on this. Some pills can’t be cut, and you may need your pills for other reasons. I also have horrible hot flashes. During the day, they come approximately every 35 to 45 minutes, and not much different overnight. I do take hormones, but I shouldn’t, due to a family history of breast cancer. So I take half the dosage. But the hot flashes are still debilitating. Sleep restriction does help, it makes me worry less about my sleep.

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    I struggle to stay asleep because I am menopausal and I can't regulate my body temperature effectively. I can't get to sleep because I am too hot then I wake up during the night again because I'm too hot. I keep windows open or put the electric fan on which is too noisy. Then I find I'm cold which also wakes me up. I've tried buying special pillows – waste of money – and just sleeping with a top sheet – but I get cold. and wake up.

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    I'm 5 years post menopause and still getting hot flushes that wake me up. I'm pretty much exhausted constantly. I never feel rested. Sleepio has helped a little but I have ignored the waking up time. I follow the advice for winding down and falling asleep but setting an alarm to wake me up in a rare sleeping moment between hot flushes is insane. No amount of cbt will sort hot flushes out. I get more sleep than I thought I did before tracking but it's all shallow and disrupted. I have no answers. Hrt had terrible side effects and herbal stuff makes no difference. Cbd oil helped for a short time.

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    Ugh. Don’t get me started. Hysterectomy almost 20 years ago and nonstop hot flashes ever since. Every 35 to 45 minutes. All day. Every day. Soaking wet. Dripping wet. 2 sisters with 3 different breast cancers over 19 years, so I shouldn’t be on hormones. US doctors are loathe to recommend natural approaches, as they aren’t regulated by the government and haven’t been “proven” according to government standards.

    However my new on/gyn has agreed to give me megace/megesterol which is a progestin or progesterone, which works perfectly if I take it every day. Because I’m afraid of breast cancer, I take it every other day. I still get hot flashes, but they are much more mild. So I also get a mammogram and or breast mri every 6 months, so if a breast cancer does occur, it’s found very early. I feel like my hands are tied. Can’t win either way.

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    Good grief, that is very unfair! Have you tried cbd just in case it helps any?

  • Sleepio Member

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    Ugh, hot flashes are the worst. I heat up like a furnace at night -- always have -- so I have a small fan by my bed running all night so I can flip off the covers and cool off when I need to. We also keep the house thermostat turned down at night, so the bedroom is cool.

    I had a long talk with my gynecologist about various treatments when I first started having hot flashes. She wasn't keen on using hormones because of my family history of heart disease and the fact that hot flashes come right back when you go off of them. We researched some herbal preps with phytoestrogens in them, and I found one that helped a bit when the hot flashes were the worst. Eventually the hot flashes declined and I went off of them. Personally I try to use as few meds as I can, even herbal ones, because “natural” is not a synonym for “safe.”

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    CBD is so new, that it’s like “the Wild, Wild West”. There’s no way to know what’s safe and effective because, again, in the US, it’s not regulated by the government and not tested for safety or effectiveness. Manufacturers could call it CBD but use parsley. I’m not saying they do, but I’m sure there are some unscrupulous characters out to make a quick buck.

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