This is a place for Sleepio members to discuss non-restorative or unrefreshing sleep. Feel free to discuss any aspect of non-restorative sleep here including your experiences and any advice you may have!
I also have the same issue with non-restorative sleep. I wake up often during the night, and while usually I can get back to sleep, I feel totally unrested the next day. 2 months ago I bought a fitness tracker that was recommended by a sleep doc for being best at tracking sleep (Jawbone Up3). The data show that I spend less than an hour per night in deep sleep, confirming what I already knew--even though I spend 8 hrs in bed, I'm not getting quality sleep (avg for woman my age is 2.5hr). So far, everything in the sleepio course has been geared to helping one fall asleep, not helping one achieve deep sleep--did I waste my money?
Hi DaisyJuke. I share in your frustration. I don't really feel this course or my doctor really understand my problem. It seems most therapy for sleep is helping people get to sleep or not wake up for long periods…which neither is a problem for me. My problem is the sleep I do get is terrible, non-restorative sleep. Although I'm technically sleeping (Sleepio rates me at 80+%...yay!!), I'm not getting restful sleep. For all Sleepio knows, my diary suggests I'm doing great….but waking up 15-20 times a night is not good regardless of how long those wake periods last. Just feeling super frustrated. Glad to know someone else shares the same problem and I'm not alone.
@fortej1: How about suggesting this as a feedback to Sleepio to flag patterns like this and define new metrics. Indeed as you mentioned, the sleep efficiency measure would be misleading in cases like the ones you've described.
Hi Fortej1, I have only just signed up for this course, but I feel like I may be in the same boat as you, as sometimes I feel like I sleep all night without waking up, but it is not refreshing deep sleep. I am going to see how the course goes, as I have only just been told by mt GP that the fatigue might be down to mild depression. I have done all other tests to rule out anything medical. Could there be any underlying factors for you that could be causing this fatigue?
I have this problem also. Just gone into week 3 and wondering if SR is worthwhile if it's not going to fix the problem of me getting 20-30 mins of deep sleep
Hi Daisyjuke, how is your sr going? I've only just started mine, my sleep efficiency is already 85%, but my quality of sleep is still very poor, I'm not sure sr is going to help with this, I was wondering if you have noticed a difference?
What can I do to sleep better during the hours I am sleeping?
I almost dont wake up at night, and I have not had problems fallen asleep, but I feel so tired :(
SRT is working for me but still very up and down. I'm having more and more good nights but find it hard not to be an emotional wreck when I have a couple of bad nights in a row. I'm also very tired and miss the person that I used to be before insomnia started 5 months ago. Had a whole week of 90 + % efficiency last week, which was encouraging. It was followed by a 3/4 not great nights but I let worry and doubt take over so I'm learning that attitude is essential. Positive affirmations and mindfulness make sleep so much easier. However, when going through this, negativity, doubt and self loathing is bound to come up and I think that judging yourself for negative feelings just makes it work. I'm coming to the conclusion that acceptance is probably the key. It's better to be mindful of bad feelings (anxiety, sadness, tiredness) and try to feel the, without judgement. Try hard to have good day after a bad night but, at the same time, don't beat yourself for wanting to cry all day (which is what I do a lot of) . Focus on the good nights only, if you can, remember them and keep telling yourself that you can/are sleeping well.
Have you considered a sleep study? I did one because I was consistently waking up with a migraine. It turned out I needed a c-pap machine. I haven't mastered mine yet but feel it is bound to help with restorative sleep and already a decrease in morning migraines in 10 days.
I'm almost at the end of week three and its awful. I'm getting around 3 1/4 hours of deep sleep out of my 5 hour sleep window, the rest of the time I'm restless but not consciously awake if that makes sense? Just sleeping really lightly. After three nights I was at 75% and now I'm back down to 60%. Today I really struggled to get out of bed at 7 and finally climbed out at 8 and then ended up napping for nearly 2 hours this afternoon (I had some wine at lunch time…). I feel so much better for the nap, but now I'm worried it will affect my sleep this evening.
Ugh, this is tough, I'm struggling at work with so little sleep, I'm snapping at my kids and I'm a misery to be around. And up til my nap this afternoon, I was getting a horrendous headache. I'm not sure how long I can stick at this for…
Anyone else had similar experiences and came out the other side? I just want to be able to go to sleep and wake up rested.
Quality of sleep is a problem for me. I literally can't remember the last time I woke up of a morning feeling good refreshed and rearing to go..!!
The result is most days I'm easily tired, get short tempered, and some times have trouble concentrating.
I also think this long term sleep problem is affecting my general health (mental and physical) and relationships.
That is why I've started these sessions here on Sleepio.
While personally I don't (yet!) have this problem, one thing that I've experienced is thinking I am awake when in fact I haven't been. For example, my wife sometimes works very late, and a couple of weeks ago I told her I'd seen the clock and it it said 2:30 and I knew that I'd been awake for ages in the night. She replied that in fact she'd come into the bedroom at about 1:00 and went to bed at 2:30 and could tell from my breathing that I was fast asleep both times (I don't snore, but lie on my back sort of slowly “puffing”).
I suppose this was a sort of dream of sleeplessness brought about by the feeling of actually being awake on previous nights. When this has happened, I've woken up reasonably rested though, so perhaps it's not the same as others' describe here? On the times it's happened, I've usually had some alcohol in the evening, which might be a contributing factor.
So here's my question. I work 2 jobs and my night job is cleaning of offices. Some nights are more busier than others. So here's my question. I usually sleep sound when I am totally exhausted. However when I wake up in the morning, I'm still not feeling like I had good sleep at all. My average sleep is about 7 to 71/2 hours at least 4 times weekly. Then other times I get about 6 hours.
My hours getting home from my second job can go anywhere from 9 p.m. through 1 a.m., depending on the size of the location.
I most days I still feel very sleepy by the afternoon time and I have to drink coffee with a lot of caffeine in it to stay awake.
I would love to hear from someone in a similar position to me, who went through the Sleepio techniques and found they really worked, as I need some inspiration.
I'm finding it really hard to muster the strength to actually apply the techniques – the sleep restriction window, getting out of bed after 15 minutes, not taking sleep aids, not falling asleep to a movie as I usually do. I'm just already so tired and so worried about the impact on my job of having even less sleep.
I function badly at work after poor sleep. My job requires a lot of brain work and when I can't focus that's it, I can't actually finish the tasks I need to finish and I have to get help from other people on my team. So I'm really struggling to apply the cognitive technique – saying to myself it won't be that bad. All I can really do is say something like 'I won't die because of it'. 'At least I'm not really ill right now'. But when it gets into the stuff about 'I do function ok' – it just isn't true in my case. In the longer term, I won't thrive in this career like this.
I also feel more than just sleepy the day after. I feel like I have a hangover and it's as if my entire body has something weighing down on it. I'd call it fatigue, and it's something close to pain throughout my torso and neck. It's so hard to tell myself 'a day of pain isn't so bad'.
I have sleep maintenance insomnia. I go to sleep ok, but wake up after 2-4 hours, and am awake for 2-3 hours before going back to sleep, or I don't go back to sleep at all. I usually listen to the same movie every night to fall asleep and sometimes I can use it to go back to sleep when I wake in the night. Usually I'm much more awake then though so it often won't work.
If anyone has done it for this type of insomnia I'd be especially glad to hear it.
I dont know if anyone responded to you as it is more than a month since you posted. I have in the past had the same trouble as you, waking during the night and not being able to get back to sleep for hours. I will say that the sleep restriction definitely worked for me, as I had a couple of months where I could wake up, two or 3 times a night & usually for the loo, and go straight back to sleep again with no problem. It was so good that I could hardly believe it – I stopped worrying about waking up as I KNEW from experience over and over again that i could just go back to sleep within minutes. My downfall then was that I stupidly tried to lengthen my sleep window quicker than was recommended, as I felt that I had cracked it, and it started going downhill again. But I am convinced that it works if you stick at it, and having let it all slip by the wayside recently, I am just about to get back into it again. But I think you really do have to stick to all the rules, which is hard I know. Maybe work your way through the various techniques with the Prof again and remind yourself of them – this is what I am going to do. They need to become automatic, so you can do them without too much effort. I hope things get better for you soon. All the best, and don't give up, we're all there with you!
Every sympathy! Its no good to me to say I coped yesterday so I will tomorrow – I don't call having the screaming ad-dabs at 4pm, crying, and being unable to think, or even decide whether I want to eat an evening meal or not, coping!
I am lucky in that I have retired so I don't have a full time job. I do (did!) however do freelance work, proofing and preparing articles for publication in an academic journal. I have had to give this up as I can't concentrate to do it effectively – too much 'brain fog'.
...However. I have used Sleepio for me. I am up at 90 % sleep as I go to bed and fall asleep more or less at once (always did) and I get up as soon as I wake in the morning. I keep being told to tell people how I have succeeded. I don't like to as the restricted sleep does not work for me and I don't want to discourage people from sticking to the rules when it works for them.
But you seem to have a different problem. I think it's worth analysing what is wrong in your life (stress, circadian rhythm, chaotic life style etc) and working out what you can do about it. i.e. I can't help having a retired husband (!) but I have given up two stress inducing jobs that had strict deadlines. This gives me the opportunity to attempt not to be 'on edge' all the time.
I moved my sleep window so I get up at the same time each morning – I think it says 6.45 (kept this time as I will be doing some work that I need to get up at 7 am for)- but I normally wake at about 8am and get up immediately.
I have also added 2 hours to the front of my sleep – i.e. I go to bed at 12 rather than 2am. I did nothing but fall asleep on the sofa waiting for 2am!
By doing this I have cut down on the frequency of waking and the time awake at night. After seven weeks I have had two nights this week that I do't remember waking up at all! (Moving my sleep window 15 mins was not what my body needed.)
Earlier I used the two relaxation pieces in bed if I was awake in the middle of the night.
I also see the suggestion of colouring in, and doing jigsaws when having to get up at night. I never knew what to do as it was cold and reading engages me so I stay awake when I read. Doing the dishes, cutting up apples to freeze and writing Christmas cards required more brain power than I had.
I also read somewhere that for ME lying down completely flat for about 10 minutes before getting overtired helps. It has helped for me. I now try this once or twice during the day instead of lying down and sleeping a hour and a half each afternoon. Would this be possible at your work? dozing in front of TV, or 'reading' a newspaper does not have the same restorative effect.
My next scheme is to try to go to bed (and sleep) at the same time each night. I think more routine in my life is probably the secret to better restorative sleep.
Sorry, I can't work forums. I seem to have 'published' this before I had read it through properly.
Best of luck.
Try to go into work to enjoy it – I find doing things I want to helps with the fatigue – also doing important things in the morning, when I can cope!